LAPD Saltzman msThe late legendary LGBT activist Morris Kight must be clapping his hands with glee over this latest development with the Los Angeles Police Department.

Not only did the LA Police Commission finally sever ties between the LAPD and the antigay Boy Scouts of America after almost two decades of contention, but LGBTs are stepping up to help make the transition from the BSA-Learning for Life Explorer Program to the new LAPD Cadets.

Openly gay LA Police Commissioner Rob Saltzman, Associate Dean at USC Gould School of Law, told LGBT POV:

“I am very pleased that the LAPD has moved quickly to sever all ties with the Boy Scouts ahead of the December 31st deadline.  I commend Chief Charlie Beck and Chief Earl Paysinger for making this transition a priority.  The young adults involved in the program deserve no less.

I was gratified to receive positive responses to my requests for financial support to finance the transition from the Explorers to the new LAPD Cadets.  (The primary cost was for new uniforms to replace the old Explorer uniforms that included a patch with an insignia of the Boy Scouts.) Donations to support the transition received included:

  • $10,000 from the David Bohnett Foundation.
  • $ 5,000 from the LA Gay and Lesbian Center.
  • $ 1,000 from former Police Commissioner Shelley Freeman.
  • Chief Paysinger secured donations from the LAPD Command Officers’ Association and from the Weingart Foundation.
  • Another likely donor is the Wells Fargo Foundation.

Other good news is that Chief Paysinger reports that other law enforcement agencies throughout California have contacted him regarding their desire to partner with the LAPD in this new effort.  As a result, instead of the LAPD Cadets being isolated (as the critics feared), the actual end result may be that the Explorers themselves will end up being isolated from the rest of the law enforcement agencies that will not accept the Boy Scouts’ discriminatory policies and practices.

At the recent (final Explorers) graduation at the LAPD academy, I spoke with the Explorers Command Officers.  To a person, they are 100 percent in support of non-discrimination.  I found this very gratifying.

I am confident that the LAPD will create a new youth program that will not only be non-discriminatory, but will also be of the highest quality.  I look forward to the first LAPD Cadet graduation sometime in spring of 2010.”

Saltzman adds that

“people in the community who wish to support the transition from the old Explorers program to the new LAPD Cadets program may do so by making contributions directly to the LAPD Foundation with the gift directed toward the new LAPD Cadet Program.  The information is:

1.  The donors should make their donation payable to the Los Angeles Police Foundation with a note or memo on the check indicating that the funds are for the “Explorer Transition Fund”

2.  The checks should be mailed to the  Los Angeles Police Foundation, 515 South Flower Street, Suite 1680, Los Angeles, California, 90071, Attention: Beth Ryan, Senior Vice President

3. The link for donations is http://lapolicefoundation.org/

LAPD Sgt KunsSgt. Joseph Kuns, who is working with Paysinger on the transition, told me that the insignia and new uniforms will be modeled after those worn by the LAPD. At an earlier presentation, Paysinger said they were going for a “total transition away from the Explorer brand” – including name, insignia, uniform, marketing and website changes (among others).

Kuns said that as of now, the new program will be called “LAPD Cadets” and from Jan 1 until the new uniforms are completed and distributed by mid-January, the 1,000-3,000 youth ages 14-20 who participate in the program at 20 police stations around the city will wear everyday clothes or even sweats to their training sessions.

Paysinger told the Police Commission:

“There has been a major push to get this together and we are there.”

The youth program is a recruitment tool for largely at risk youth who seek a career in law enforcement. The LAPD began their association with the BSA’s youth Explorer Program in 1962, with its subdivision Learning for Life taking over in 1998.

Though Learning for Life professionals denied there was any discrimination against LGBT youth or scout leaders, evidence clearly showed an intermingling of finances and personnel with the discriminatory BSA.

LAPD badgeTwo of the primary reasons the LAPD and the Police Commission were reluctant to sever ties with the BSA/LFL program were because the outside outfit paid for insurance coverage for the young people and because the program had popular sports competitions with other BSA Explorer groups outside of Los Angeles.  With the severing of ties, the city has agreed to pick up the insurance tab and word of the new LAPD Cadet program has drawn inquiries from other law enforcement agencies also interested in breaking away from BSA.

In response to a complaint from a member of the public during the Dec. 23 hearing, Saltzman said that he has spent considerable time to ensure that the LAPD Cadets program is

“as good or – I’m confident – better than the program it replaces.

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The Boy Scouts are clear that they discriminate based on sexual orientation, gender identity and religion, and the result of that is I could not be active on the Boy Scouts.”

Police Commissioner Alan Skobin saidof the transition:

“It’s bittersweet in the sense that the Boy Scouts or Learning for Life have been part of this for a long time – in name only – but the LAPD is committed to a better program and we can do that without having discrimination.”

LAPD Charlie Beck headshotIn an interview with me last November, LAPD Chief Charlie Beck said he “absolutely” supports the Police Commission’s decision to severe ties.

“It should have happened a long time ago. There is no place for groups that practice that kind of discrimination in today’s LAPD.”

Roger Coggan, Legal Director for the LA Gay & Lesbian Center, said this about the final transition:

“This has been quite a chapter in our ongoing LGBT American narrative.

By its actions, the LAPD is sending a clear message of inclusiveness to the diverse communities of LGBT youth who may wish to pursue a career in policing. Beyond that, the positive ripple effects of this message will extend to communities of all sexual orientations, races, ethnicities and genders.

This happened because of the persistence of many, including [former Police Commissioners] Dean Hansell, Shelley Freeman and [LA Gay & Lesbian Center CEO] Lorri Jean, and Rob Saltzman — who deserves special kudos for expertly guiding the process and many players necessary to bring this to a most successful conclusion.”

LAPD Jon Davidson hsJon Davidson, Legal Director for Lambda Legal – who has played a role in the major lawsuits fighting BSA’s discrimination – said this:

“I feel very gratified that the LAPD is finally terminating its relationship with the Boy Scouts and instead supporting all youth, free from discrimination.  Lambda Legal has been fighting for this reform for nearly 10 years.

When other government bodies and funders such as the United Way previously sought to disassociate from the Boy Scouts because of its policy and practice of discriminating based on sexual orientation and religion, the Boy Scouts responded by setting up a shell organization called Learning for Life to run certain of its youth programs.  The LAPD properly saw through this sham, given the organizations’ co-mingling of funds and shared offices, staff, and management.

Hopefully, the LAPD’s decision will lead others to follow suit and stop supporting discrimination that harms young people and, ultimately, us all.”

But the news brought tears to the eyes of Rev. Troy Perry, founder of the Metropolitean Community Church, who in 1970 went before the LA Police Commission with Gay Liberation Front co-founder Morris Kight and Rev. Bob Humphries of the US Missions seeking a permit for a parade to celebrate the one year anniversary of the Stonewall Riots in New York.

LAPD Rev Troy PerryPerry recalled that as he was explaining why they wanted the permit, LAPD Chief Ed Davis interrupted and said:

“‘Did you know that homosexuality is illegal in the state of California?’ I looked at him, and I said, ‘No, sir, it’s not.’ We then debated the issue. And he said, ‘Well, I want to tell you something. As far as I’m concerned, granting a parade permit to a group of homosexuals to parade down Hollywood Boulevard would be the same as giving a permit to a group of thieves and robbers.’

Finally, the motion was made. One commissioner said, ‘There’ll be violence in the streets.’

’Well,’ I said, ‘I remember that Captain Wesley of the Hollywood Division said the same thing about the first Gay-In that the Gay Liberation Front sponsored. And he said, ‘Around 5:00, violence will start in that park.’ And around 5:00 the law moved in and started making arrests. That was the violence.’”

The Police Commission debated and announced they were against the parade but said:

“‘We’re going to give the permit, if you can post two bonds, one in the amount of $1 million, one in the amount of $500,000. And if you will post, in cash the amount of $1,500, that amount will go to pay for the policemen that it will take to protect you. And, you must have at least 3,000 people marching. If not, you go to the sidewalks.’”

Perry, Kight and Humphries called the ACLU – and Perry went on a fast to underscore their commitment to making the parade happen. The next day, the ACLU referred them to attorney Herbert Selwyn who appeared with them before the commission the following week. Perry said:

“The Police Commission dropped all of its specifications except the requirement that we pay $1,500 for police protection. That was to protect us from the hard hats that might attack us. “Well,” I said, “I didn’t know any hard hats in Hollywood.” So we left.”

The next stop was the California Superior Court where they got a court order granting the parade permit and requiring the police to provide protection. Perry said:

“In making his ruling, the judge said that we were all citizens of the State of California and entitled to equal protection under its laws. We would not pay any extra taxes or fees to the Los Angeles Police Department; and they were ordered to protect us as they would any other group.”

Of course, there were many antigay encounters with the LAPD – to which Kight always drew attention. For instance, when then City Attorney Burt Pines ordered the LAPD to stop persecuting gays by arresting them on morals violations (trying to pick up a man at a bar), then assistant police chief Daryl Gates told him,

“We don’t take instructions from the city attorney.”

The LAPD subsequently deployed a hundred police officers with guns and two helicopters to raid a Los Angeles Gay Community Services Center fundraiser. How ironic, then, that it was the LAPD and the Police Commission following the express opinion of LA City Attorney that the LAPD’s ties to the Boy Scouts of America violated the city’s anti-discrimination laws.

Perry said Wednesday:

LAPD - Fairfax high“That was almost 40 years ago when we went before the Police Commission to celebrate Christopher Street West. I am thrilled to death to have lived to see what we started so early on still bearing fruit today – especially around the police and youth. They used to say all of us were child molesters. I cried when I saw Fairfax High School marching band in the CSW parade – it was unbelievable. And now, at long last, to have the Police Commission and the Police Department come around – to see this day arrive means more to me than you’ll ever know. And I’m sure Morris is looking down and he’s just applauding.”

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18 comments until now

  1. Excellent article, Karen. News, history, research, even donation information — everything needed to tell the entire story. We’re so lucky to have you.

    LA has often been too slow on too many things, but this city always gets it right eventually. And the reason it does are the women and men who never give up the fight to lead the city to common decency and justice. Utterly inspiring and fantastic news.

  2. Are you kidding me. How self centered and “all about me” can these people be. The police are working with young men who need to see the police as a positive in our communities and this group brings division because they want to live a life style the majority of people on this planet find deplorable. Get a clue and work for something positive that is not centered around your groin.

  3. You mean something centered around YOUR groin – the way the world runs now?

    When will straight people realize that LGBT issues revolve around inequality around our identity as human beings, whom we choose to love. Anyone can have sex with anyone else and that doesn’t necessarily effect their identity.

    Community-based policing and leadership is about all communities with the core value being respect for all.

  4. Hi Karen, I commend how respectable and you are with your words and support for our LGBT Community! You are a STAR. your response to the blogger “shocked” was intelligent and well-stated, I love you Karen, please always keep up the good work.

    Bill
    Los Angeles City Councilmember, 11th District

  5. M. Thomas @ 2010-01-01 10:43

    As a career law enforcement professional, I used to hold the LAPD in high regard. While I absolutely agree there is no room for discrimination of any kind in the ranks, I also acknowledge the tremendous contribution made by the Boy Scouts of America in the lives of thousands of young people. Surely, your actions do a huge disservice to a fine organization with a long history of service to the larger community. I realize you don’t care about that because it does not line up with your own, and very narrow, “world view”. So much for “tolerance”, huh? It appears to be a one way street in LA and California.

  6. First of all, M. Thomas, thank you for your service in law enforcement.

    I suggest that you hold two contradictory POVs. You say “there is no room for discrimination of any kind in the ranks” – and then you applaud the Boy Scouts of America who went all the way to the US Supreme Court to validate their RIGHT TO DISCRIMINATE AGAINST GAYS. The BSA is very proud of their having secured that right, which the Supreme Court upheld since they are a private, religious organization.

    It’s not that some of their values are not appreciated by the “larger” community – including ours. I live in West Hollywood and am “always prepared” for earthquakes. And I’ve often helped older or disabled people across the street. But those same “values” are taught in the nondiscriminatory Girl Scouts and the Boys & Girls Clubs of America. Only the BOY SCOUTS insist on their right to say gay people lack moral character and are expressly prohibited from joining their ranks. Now that’s a hell of a recruitment tool for the inclusive LAPD.

    Would you tell recruiters to your agency to deny recruitment applications of gay people? Perhaps you think we inherently lack bravery? Well, the LAPD thought enough of the quick-thinking bravery of openly lesbian Sgt. Lisa Phillips – who saved her injured partner and rescued an unconscious Asian civilian woman during the LA riots – that they awarded her the Medal of Valor. Just one story.

    During the long years of the battle with the BSA over the Explorer Program, no one ever said that the youth program – per se – was bad. Rather it is the corrupting influence of the antigay BSA that was the problem. And besides – the LAPD is a city-run organization and it violates the city’s nondiscrimination laws to do business with an organization that discriminates. And by severing ties with the BSA, the city, the LA Police Commission and the LAPD are putting their pledge into action.

    Another pledge: this nondiscriminatory LAPD-youth run program will be even better than before. And isn’t that the point, after all – to do the best thing for ALL our youth?

    Thank you for sharing and Happy New Year.

  7. Johnny U. S. Marine @ 2010-01-05 15:38

    It is just amazing that so many people are blind injustice. It’s shocking. Are these people coherent? An organization like the Boy Scouts, has an opportunity to instill positive values, yet chooses to promote bigotry under the name of god? What a shame. How morally bankrupt.

  8. Johnny U. S. Marine @ 2010-01-05 15:40

    It is just amazing that so many people are blind to injustice. It’s shocking. Are these people coherent? An organization like the Boy Scouts, has an opportunity to instill positive values, yet chooses to promote bigotry in the name of god? What a shame. How morally bankrupt.

  9. Great, now the Explores won’t have any insurance = no program. F’n great… :/

  10. To 2 – the city of Los Angeles has picked up the insurance. The LAPD Cadets program now falls under the auspices of the city.

    F’n great, indeed.

  11. I applaud the LAPD for taking this stance but on more than just the LGBT issue. The boy scouts are hypocrites and its all about the bottom $$ to them. When they won the right to discriminate instead of moving forward keeping to their views/values that start another organization called Learning for Life which allows gay leaders… Why? Because they were going to loose Millions in registration fees from all types of explorer programs across the land, Police Fire and EMS because they are not allowed to discriminate so they departments would have to either do what LAPD did go independent or fold their program. Furthermore the Boy Scouts provide no other service to the individual programs except for putting out their hand for money. On the Local level their are no programs offered, Well there are a number of local programs run by individuals that are advisor’s from local agencies, done under Boy Scout Name but its completely run by the volunteers officers and civilians. Guess who gets the left over money from the event? The Boy Scouts and where does it go, not back into something for the explorers, but into their general fund to help their other short comings. The Boy Scout claim to fame is well they offer Insurance to cover the youth… guess what when it comes time to put in a claim the red tape is thicker then trying to get a straight answer from your senator or congressman. Everyone I know who has put in a claim has been denied and their local agency had to pick up the bill. So I applaud you LAPD I read somewhere where you have about 3000 youth in your program that should give you between $39,000 and $45,000 saved in registration fees (depending on what your local council charges)you can put back into the program for the kids, and not give it to the Boy Scouts for NOTHING in return.

  12. To 2, the Boy Scout Insurance isn’t worth anything anyways, I have been involved with them for over 20 years and they have denied every claim, by anyone I know needing to place a claim. Their insurance falls in after the sponsoring organization (LAPD) and personal insurance. So by the time it gets to their insurance there is not much left if they are going to approve anything which again I have never seen them do.

  13. all american @ 2010-02-17 21:08

    I is a sham that folks try to persicute the Boy Scouts, they instill leadership,confidence, and good will. The boy Scouts have have produced fine leaders for over 100 years.Where is your tolerence. Please stop crying, you cant have everything your way, now can you!

  14. Anonymous @ 2010-03-03 17:30

    I’m in the Explorer Progam and in my personal opinion I think that is was an unnecessary thing to take away the insurance for the progam. Now us, now cadets, can’t go to any competitions. There might have been people that went to the competitions but not everybody got to experienced that. we got our names changed to Cadets and that seemed to be stupid. The insurance company should let anybody be in the program because in the program we don’t talk about whose gay or not. We go to the program to learn good skills that well help us in the future. If these people continue taking away the things we have left the program well CRASH!

  15. The City of Los Angeles is now paying for the insurance and the new LAPD Chief Charlie Buck says that other Explorer programs are calling them to find out how to cut ties and if they want to play games.

    Chief Buck says there are tons of teams throughout California that want to play them – so there will be no shortage of competition.

  16. 'Bout-Fed-Up @ 2010-04-20 11:33

    The circus has officially come to town. Don’t you people understand that you’re freaks?

  17. Concerned Cadet @ 2010-04-21 08:54

    I, as an explorer for over 3 years now, feel that the press is not properly representing this issue. While i do feel it is important to end discrimination and all that, this program has been turned upside down. The transition has been in no way smooth or easy. Many cadets who have seniority within the program are being forced to wear business attire (the uniforms new recruits wear) until all the uniforms are issued. The police department is not being understanding towards its youth. While the uniform issue doesn’t bother me personally, you have to understand these are teenagers with a lot of pride; they are hot-headed. The program is steadily heading downhill as you will find out if you ask any honest cadet who has a year or more experience in the program. The police department has to start listening to real cadets for advice, they can’t just talk to the few who are afraid to speak their mind. If they do not start listening, the program will never reach it’s full potential.

  18. katherine @ 2010-06-27 22:28

    explorers program is a really nice program were you could meet officers and have a really nice times it really keeps you busy and having fun i hope lapd cadets is nice to. i hope to be able to graduate from lapd cadets some day they also have to learn how to listen sothe program could reach its goal

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